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namedroppers@ops.ietf.org is the mailing list for the ietf dnsext wg.  see
<http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/dnsext-charter.html> for the wg charter.
messages should be on topics appropriate to the dnsext wg, which are various
discussion of the dns protocols or administrivia of the wg itself.  the list
is moderated.

calls for papers, announcements of events not directly relevant to the dns
protocols, etc. are not appropriate.  discussion of problems with particular
implementations, announcements of releases, sites' misconfigurations, etc.
should be done on mailing lists for the particular implementations.

there is a wg for dns operational practice, dnsop, whose charter can be
found at <http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/dnsop-charter.html>.

discussion of this policy is a topic for the poisson wg.  poisson's charter
can be found at <http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/poisson-charter.html>.


> Message-ID: <20000129035223.3523.qmail@cr.yp.to>
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> From: "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to>
> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: list has new home
> 
> Bush's statement of ``appropriate'' material for the namedroppers list
> is inconsistent with the DNSEXT charter, inconsistent with past DNSEXT
> discussions, and inconsistent with the interests of the subscribers.
> 
> In particular, my review of the namedroppers archives reveals
> 
>    * extensive discussion of problems with particular implementations,
>    * many announcements of new BIND releases, and
>    * many examples of interoperability problems involving real sites.
> 
> In March 1999, for example, Bush wrote a message to namedroppers
> complaining that he was unable to get LOC records working with BIND. The
> next month, he wrote a message to namedroppers saying that the existing
> DNSSEC support in BIND wasn't usable in practice.
> 
> Some of these factual messages had clear effects on subsequent DNSEXT
> discussions and on the resulting specifications. All of them are within
> the scope of DNSEXT. But Bush now claims that they are inappropriate:
> 
> > discussion of problems with particular
> > implementations, announcements of releases, sites' misconfigurations, etc.
> > should be done on mailing lists for the particular implementations.
> 
> Bush also claims that discussion of his censorship activities ``is a
> topic for the poisson wg.'' However, a few days ago, Bush allowed Narten
> to send namedroppers a statement defending those activities.
> 
> This new ``policy'' is clearly a sham. It is much more restrictive than
> the actual scope of the namedroppers mailing list. Bush is selectively
> enforcing this ``policy'' to censor messages that he doesn't like, such
> as my recent response to Narten's statement, and my message two weeks
> ago proposing that DNSEXT fix a security flaw in RFC 2181. See
> 
>    http://cr.yp.to/dnscache/namedroppers.html
> 
> for details of further incidents.
> 
> ---Dan
> 
